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Freedom to Choose God

by UnDisfellowshipped in

come to the wedding.

' for i say to you that god is able to raise up children to abraham from these stones.

Deputy Dog

Undisfellowshipped

Also, you stated that it was NOT God's will that all people do God's will.

Why don't you show us the quote?

D Dog

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Freedom to Choose God

by UnDisfellowshipped in

come to the wedding.

' for i say to you that god is able to raise up children to abraham from these stones.

Deputy Dog

I will say that I do not like one bit the following of man-made creeds and doctrines and teachings.
For example:
1st Corinthians 1:10-13: Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Chloe's household, that there are contentions among you. Now I say this, that each of you says, "I am of Paul," or "I am of Apollos," or "I am of Cephas," or "I am of Christ." Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?
A person could say this now-a-days:
Now I say this, that each of you says, "I am of Calvin," or "I am of Luther," or "I am of Billy Graham," or "I am of Christ." Is Christ divided? Was Calvin crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Calvin?

Who did I say that I was of? Are you saying you don't read any books or commentaries? Do you have a pastor that teaches you or a friend that you respect. Like it or not you're a product of someone's influence. We all carry someone's baggage.

If the Bible taught the "Predestination Doctrine", I would believe it and I would preach it.

It does teach sovereign grace (predestination) but you refuse to believe it. I believe man has a will. But it is always sinful and is not free to do or choose good. D Dog

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Freedom to Choose God

by UnDisfellowshipped in

come to the wedding.

' for i say to you that god is able to raise up children to abraham from these stones.

Deputy Dog

Undisfellowshipped

You please answer me, was Jesus weeping over a bunch of buildings and stones? Or was He weeping over all of the people of Jerusalem who COULD HAVE chosen to believe in Him?

Mat 23:38

Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. Neither one. This is talking about the nation (Gods only Theocracy), as an instrument of Gods' grace. Not every Jews' salvation. "your house" could be talking about the temple, I suppose.

Luke19:44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.

Mat 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

Does seem to say a lot about buildings though.

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Freedom to Choose God

by UnDisfellowshipped in

come to the wedding.

' for i say to you that god is able to raise up children to abraham from these stones.

Deputy Dog

Undisfellowshipped

Now you're playing word games.

In case you haven't noticed being sealed by the Holy Spirit is not the same as "receive the Holy Spirit into your hearts" So I ask you again, Where (in Ephesians chapter 1) does it say: "receive the Holy Spirit into their hearts." ?
I will let the Scriptures answer you. The Scriptures state that the "sealing" of the Spirit is indeed the same as The Spirit coming into your heart:

"The Spirit coming into your heart" is not the same as "receive the Holy Spirit into their hearts." So lets try this a 3rd time. Where (in Ephesians chapter 1) does it say: "receive the Holy Spirit into their hearts." ? I can't find the word receive!

God has not predestined what each individual Christian will do in his life.

When it comes to being a child of God or doing good, that is where we disagree.

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Freedom to Choose God

by UnDisfellowshipped in

come to the wedding.

' for i say to you that god is able to raise up children to abraham from these stones.

Deputy Dog

Undisfellowshipped You said:

If the "predestination doctrine" was true (obviously Paul would have known about it), then Paul would have known that God did NOT predestine ALL Israel to be saved, in that case, Paul would have been actually PRAYING AGAINST GOD'S WILL!
Not only did Paul know about the Sovereign grace of God, he taught it in the many passages that we have examined on this thread. I believe Paul was "actually P RAYING AGAINST GOD'S WILL!". Haven't you ever done that? Has there ever been someone you wanted to see God save, and that person die without Christ? I have. In Romans 9 he practically says as much, he even wishes that he could trade his salvation for theirs in verse 3. He goes on to show that not every Jew is part of Israel, look at verse 6

Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

Next you ask:

Then how or why in the world would a Christian's conduct and actions toward an unsaved person cause that person to be saved or to be stumbled away to Hell?
How could someone be stumbled away from Christ by another person's actions, IF that person had been predestined to be saved?

Do you really think that someone else's salvation is dependant on you?

How can man destroy the works of God? How can man destroy a person for whom Christ died?

You tell me, because from where I sit, it looks like you're trying to do just that!

2nd Timothy 2:24-26: And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.

Do I understand you to think that I have been taken captive by the devil?

D Dog

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Freedom to Choose God

by UnDisfellowshipped in

come to the wedding.

' for i say to you that god is able to raise up children to abraham from these stones.

Deputy Dog

Undisfellowshipped

Deputy Dog said:
Where does it say: "that people are NOT saved or sealed until AFTER they... receive the Holy Spirit into their hearts." ?
Ephesians 1: 13-14: In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory. That Scripture shows that Christians are saved by: (1st) Hearing the Gospel (2nd) Believing and trusting in Jesus Christ (3rd) Being sealed by the Holy Spirit

In case you haven't noticed being sealed by the Holy Spirit is not the same as "receive the Holy Spirit into your hearts" So I ask you again, Where (in Ephesians chapter 1) does it say: "receive the Holy Spirit into their hearts." ? You skipped over another verse. You said:

" Jesus was talking about a literal resurrection from the dead in John Chapter 5."

Was Jesus talking about a literal resurrection in verse 24?

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. Next you say:

And once that "blind" person's has had his eyes opened by God, where does the Bible say that the person cannot choose to reject or accept Jesus at that point? In fact, the Bible, all the way through, teaches this, from Genesis through Revelation, as I have shown with dozens upon dozens of Verses in this Thread.

The only problem with this is, choosing to repent is a good work. Repenting and choosing to do good (or choosing God), are the first acts of obedience. And good works are predestined:

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Also you said

But does God always get what He "wants"? Not according to His Holy Word: John Chapter 5 says that Jesus WANTED to save those Jews who were trying to kill Him, but they rejected Him (and so went to Hell). Did Jesus get what He wanted there?
You are reading (in this case writing) into the text, just as you did here;

Matthew Chapter 23 says that Jesus WANTED to save Jerusalem, but that they were not willing to be saved. Did Jesus get what He wanted there?

The text doesn't say anything about saving every Jew in Jerusalem, but you read it into the text. You go on to list a total of 5 things or areas in which you believe God is powerless, and you seem to take pleasure in them.

2nd Peter 3:9 and 1st Timothy Chapter 2 (and many other Verses) say that God DESIRES all men to be saved, but obviously not all men are saved.
Does God get what He desires when not all men are saved? The Scriptures say that it is the will of God that ALL Christians live holy and sanctified lives, but not all Christians do live holy and sanctified lives. Does God get what He wants when not all Christians live holy and sanctified lives? The Bible says that God does NOT WANT any Christian to ever commit fornication, and that it is His will that Christians abstain from fornication, but obviously some Born Again people do commit this sin (such as King David, etc.) Does God get what He wants when a Christian commits a sin such as fornication?

You seem happy that there are things that God just can't control. You may think (in your own mind) that you are winning some points in this discussion. OK Look at the prize you've won, a frustrated, powerless God. My God is not powerless were sin and mans' will is concerned, He is all powerful! The God of the bible is able to use the sin of man to accomplish His works for His Glory! He makes all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. Certainly God wanted men to murder His Son, He predetermined it beforehand to be done.

Acts 4:27

For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together, 28 For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.

Not only did God get what He wanted, it pleased Him!

Look at Isaiah 53:7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. 8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. 9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. 10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his

seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

D Dog

774

Freedom to Choose God

by UnDisfellowshipped in

come to the wedding.

' for i say to you that god is able to raise up children to abraham from these stones.

Deputy Dog

Undisfellowshipped

Why did you skip over:

John 5:21

For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them ; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.

D Dog

774

Freedom to Choose God

by UnDisfellowshipped in

come to the wedding.

' for i say to you that god is able to raise up children to abraham from these stones.

Deputy Dog

Undisfellowshipped

The reason they are not willing is, because being willing goes against their nature. Only God can change someone's nature. Man can't go against his own sinful nature where God is concerned.

D Dog

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JWs--cult or am i just bitter?

by sinamongurl in

after reading many experiences and comments on the board, i have begun to have questions.

questions that i really didnt know i until i read them.

as a recently df'd person, i am still struggling with whether jws are really a cult or is it just that im bitter for being torn away from the only thing that i knew, where i had friends that i thought loved me.

Deputy Dog

sinamongurl

We can debate the definition of a cult, and how the JW's fit. But they definitely are False Prophets!

Don't Go Back!

D Dog

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But Jehovah is such a loving God!!!..........

by ohiocowboy in

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and this link proves it.......... http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html.

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Deputy Dog

ohiocowboy

Interesting site

Luke 13:1-5

There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things? I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem? I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

I'm glad he loves me!

D Dog